Nintendo and competitive Smash.

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Re: Nintendo and competitive Smash.

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Post by Calamity Panfan » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:09 pm

i mean a lot of the ideas around world of light are pretty cool but then you have to play it and nope

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Post by CaptHayfever » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:18 pm

^^Yeah, "posting the cutscenes online makes them bad" makes even less sense than "the Switch needs CoD".

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Post by DarkZero » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:22 pm

Subspace is tight, I especially like playing it in Project M because of the faster, weightier physics.
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Re: Nintendo and competitive Smash.

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Post by steeze » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:34 pm

Bring back break the targets or I’m out

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Re: Nintendo and competitive Smash.

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:54 pm

CaptHayfever wrote:
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It's not a sentiment; it's an observation. A very vocal minority contingent insists upon exclusively playing tourney rules, some to the extent of refusing to touch WoL because it's based on special rulesets. This affects online matchups & offline casual matches.

And remember, "I'm-a Luigi, number one!"
...You expressed your view of the situation--how competitive players' preferences affect online competitive matchups and, somehow, even offline casual matches (????????).

Seems like I used the word "sentiment" appropriately, but if not I'd like to know why.

Spoiler.
sen·ti·ment

/ˈsen(t)əmənt/

noun

a view of or attitude toward a situation or event; an opinion.

Regardless, I don't understand your claim that casual offline matches are affected by how others play SSBU, because I don't see a way in which that significantly hinders them.

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They really remind me of Apple.
Except Nintendo charges less for underpowered hardware instead of more. ;)

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Do they? 3DS launched underpowered and at such a high price they had to quickly reduce it. 2DS XL, from their budget line of 3DS systems, is still $149.99 well into the Switch's life. That was only $20 less than what its significantly more powerful direct competition, the Vita, was priced at before its discontinuation (which was at its lowest price then because it didn't sell well).

Switch isn't as poorly priced as 3DS is, but the Switch Lite is definitely in a more appropriate price range, I think.

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Post by Marilink » Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:29 pm

steeze wrote:
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Bring back break the targets or I’m out
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Post by Valigarmander » Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:59 pm

Board the platforms or bust.

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:01 pm

Bring back Trophies too and you've got my vote.

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Post by Marilink » Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:01 pm

Valigarmander wrote:
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Board the platforms or bust.
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Post by Calamity Panfan » Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:09 pm

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:47 pm

As if I needed another reason to vote against him.

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Post by Marilink » Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:22 pm

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Re: Nintendo and competitive Smash.

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Post by X-3 » Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:25 pm

I think I liked WoL better than SSE honestly. I don't really like how damage-spongey enemies in SSE are and I don't think the Smash % and knockback system gels well with the platforming style. Plus 95% of the enemies are OCs and the other 5% are Mario enemies. And I commented on WoL being too long before but SSE's Great Maze...sheesh.

Yeah SSE has the cutscenes but WoL goes deeper, man. All the little obscure Nintendo characters get their time to shine.

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Re: Nintendo and competitive Smash.

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:41 am

You know what would be the best? Combine Melee's Adventure Mode with the story/cutscenes of Brawl's SSE, maybe with an overworld map thing kinda like what WoL has, along with deep RPG mechanics. Flesh it all out and improve everything, and you get something great.

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Post by Apollo the Just » Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:00 am

That sounds unironically amazing but also would probably have to be a standalone game in its own right, there's no way they could make that and also have the PVP fighting game aspect be good, which apparently is something people care about.

Would literally be the greatest crossover action RPG of all time though.

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Re: Nintendo and competitive Smash.

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Post by I REALLY HATE POKEMON! » Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:48 am

That's true. One or the other always needs to be compromised. Look at Soulcaibur, they REALLY wanted their story modes to be good but they're really, really, REALLY not.

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Re: Nintendo and competitive Smash.

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Post by CaptHayfever » Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:32 pm

That actually sounds doable. WoL's overworld map is just a static image with very simple effects put over it, so that's no problem at all, & the platforming in both Melee & SSE was built around the combat mechanics, so something similar could be done around Ultimate's combat mechanics. All that's left are the cutscenes. Spirits provide the RPG mechanics (they already call it a "party" anyway).

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Re: Nintendo and competitive Smash.

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Post by ScottyMcGee » Sat May 09, 2020 9:11 pm

Well, Sakurai intended Smash to be an alternative to competitive games. There's some story about how he used to play some arcade game (I want to say SNK but I'm not sure) and when he beat this one guy he felt really bad for him because he basically embarrassed the guy in front of his girlfriend, and the guy took it hard. So he wanted to make a battle royale game that was sort of competitive but also plays into chance. It's kind of Nintendo's MO with games like that. There are competitive racing games, and then there's Mario Kart. There are competitive party games, and then there's Mario Party. Nintendo tends to make the "battle royale" version of competitive games. Of course, there's no controlling what fans do with the game.

I don't see any real right or wrong way to play Smash, but Nintendo is essentially Disney in the sense that they copy the business model of being wholesome and for the family, and also having a tight hold on copyrights. Nintendo doesn't see itself as part of the competitive gaming community because that's not how they see themselves as part of their MO or whatever. There's also the stigma of being a "tRuE GaMeR" in the competitive gaming world, and I think Nintendo would rather want to avoid that altogether.

On one hand, you have a developer who put his heart and soul into something and then gets irked when people are using it not in the way of his original vision. It's an issue of "authorial intent". In this day and age, "authorial intent" is pretty much dead. You can just do whatever you want and interpret things however you want. Creatives can have a hard time dealing with that.

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Re: Nintendo and competitive Smash.

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Post by Apollo the Just » Sat May 09, 2020 9:19 pm

There's two sides to it. Authors can do whatever they want and make whatever they want, and audiences can consume it however they want. If the author doesn't want to make what the consumers want to play they don't have to and if consumers don't want to play what the author wants to make they don't have to either.

Smash is awkward because it feels like Sakurai doesn't want to cater to smash dudebros and yet makes changes in their favor, and smash dudebros don't want to play a casual fighting game and yet they keep playing smash. I realized that new smash is boring to me and ultimately **** ed off in favor of playing games I think are fun, and more people should realize that that is a thing they can still do instead of bitching at a creator lol

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Re: Nintendo and competitive Smash.

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Post by X-3 » Sat May 09, 2020 9:34 pm

'No real right or wrong way to play Smash' is pretty accurate in a lot of ways.

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